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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.30 01:10:00 -
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So does that mean you refuse to surrender Chistopher? Because if so you must remain KOS to the NVA.
(and for the love of god learn to use paragraph breaks!)
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.09.30 02:03:00 -
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Christopher, you really do take the biscuit.
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If you believe that attacking neutrals and miners is your goal then by all means feel free, though piracy is generally frowned upon jade,
Hah! You get your skanky-asses handed to you on a plate. You get ditched by your companions. You find relgion and your convert to the good guys, and now you are preaching at me?
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and by doing so you commit it, neutrality has been delcared and we have withdrawn from the conflict as all conflicts. you will not draw us back or destroy our resolve.
Wise-up mr Xen. Neutrality can not be unilaterally declared. Both parties need to agree. You don't weasel out of this war so easily.
Surrender.
While you still have any ships at all.
Otherwise you will spend the rest of your lives looking over your shoulder.
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Posted - 2003.09.30 03:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 30/09/2003 03:16:47
Are you haunting me today Derek? Everywhere I go I see your face and another scoop of bad advice from a washed up Taggart point of view.
What I donÆt understand, and perhaps itÆs a guy thing, is the problem you chaps have with the concept of surrender.
When two forces go to war one will win, itÆs a simple as that. If there is no declaration of the surrender then the war has not been concluded.
This is not bullying or triumphal gloating, its simply common sense.
M3G4 on TaggartÆs order attempted to destroy the NVA. They tried hard but they failed. Falling at the last to a palace coup that followed a 72 hour blockade and a week of dreadful combat results and ship losses, itÆs a common story ... when the war starts going wrong internal pressures mount.
So, now M3G4 want out, and want to change their act. Fine, first they need to surrender. The only thing preventing this is the stupid pride and pointless macho posturing of their leader. Smoked should count himself lucky we are paying him the respect of making the offer. I imagine "surrender" and "terms" were not words often on the lips of TankCEO in Yulai amidst the wreckage of noob ships.
IÆll tell you something. If Jericho is ever in the situation M3G4 finds itself in I will surrender, and IÆd do it with a smile on my face.
Its called sportsmanship; and its evidently something certain people donÆt appreciate.
You lose a ship à well, tell the victor ôjolly good killö, thatÆs what I do.
You lose a war à just the same, put your hands up and say à ôya beat me!ö Anything else is pathetic wriggling.
Really, grow up boys.
Politics is a game for adults.
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Posted - 2003.09.30 04:24:00 -
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Oh do be quiet à please, this really is turning into dial an idiot night. ItÆs for us to decide what an appropriate use of force in this matter is.
The matter has been discussed in the NVA council, and the conclusion being, if M3G4 do not surrender, they retain their place on the KOS list and will be eliminated whenever and wherever they are sighted and it is convenient for our forces to do so.
I assure you very few resources will be expanded on punishing further M3G4 action.
And I am personally getting entirely sick and tired of hearing the spectre of ôallies being lostö at the mere prospect of us asking a defeated enemy to surrender. "allies being lost" for being mean to Taggart. "allies being lost for this", "allies being lost" for that.
Blah Blah Blah nonsense Blah.
Frankly my anonymous friend, such allies as might change their allegiance so swiftly are not worth having.
Meaningful allies understand the rules of war.
M3G4 lost. They must surrender.
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Posted - 2003.09.30 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 30/09/2003 11:38:43
Thank you Smoked and M3G4 for beginning the process of formal surrender with the words spoken.
We respect that decision.
As soon as confirmation is received that you have passed the offices across to NVA corps we will formally accept and end the war status between us and M3G4.
In anticipation.
(!*? whats up with A n t i c i p a t i o n ;))
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Posted - 2003.09.30 11:45:00 -
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I wouldn't like to speculate m'dear, I am not NVA miliary command. But if the war isn't formally ended, then it makes sense that M3G4 would stay KOS and that NVA ships would blow up M3G4 assets wherever they are found. That said, its obviously not going to take a large fleet to do it. At this stage, I think the unrenting of offices and passing of them to NVA corps is both useful to us, and symbolic of the M3G4 change of heart, if indeed it is real.
The completion of formal surrender draws a line under the dispute.
I personally think the reason a lot of forum muppets don't want M3G4 to complete the surrender is an expression of their weakness and lack of stiff-upper-lip sportsmanship.
I have nothing but derision and disrespect for a beaten enemy that does not have the courage to complete surrender negotiations.
I hope M3G4 prove better men than this.
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Posted - 2003.09.30 11:53:00 -
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"Taggart member turns pirate"
... the shock
;)
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Posted - 2003.09.30 12:25:00 -
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You may conversation me at your convenience monsieur Rho. As for future NVA plans; well the Declaration
Thread gives a pretty good idea.
But seriously, we are not going to run before we can walk.
A lot of foolish people on the forums have been talking about the premature end to the larger war.
Well you have just witnessed yourself how heroically difficult it has been to get a broken M3G4 to even begin the process of surrender to formally end hostilities.
I think we all know in the NVA that Taggart will likely never surrender formally. Its not in the character of the man Ragnar to admit defeat ... ever.
And so to an extent, the war may be endless, if somewhat low-intensity hereafter.
I hope we are wrong.
And I hope Taggart will see the inadvisability of continuing their hostilities in Venal and Pureblind.
We are prepared to end this. We want peace. But peace needs to be secured with a formal agreement. Not simply assumed from lack of continued aggression.
Should it come the terms we offer to Taggart will likely be similar to M3G4. Surrender of offices the primary demand. Foreswearance of alliance with pirates (pretty much already done by the pirates themselves). Pledge of future good behaviour with some sort of asset bond to secure it.
And of course they would need to retract the war declaration and solicitation to assassination.
Anyhow, sorry to ramble on with that, but you asked about future plans, and really, future plans involve ending the war ... and that is how it can be ended.
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.09.30 19:39:00 -
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Well thats clear; KOS status for M3G4 still
and the war continues.
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Posted - 2003.09.30 21:09:00 -
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I think the High Priestess has lost it ... she has gone completely balmy. She sounds a bit like Davros the master Dalek with a shortcircuiting command board.
"YYYYYYooooooouuuuuuu mussssssst desssssstrooooyyy Jadddddddeeeee .... desssssstroyyyyyy Jadeeeeee ....
ddddessstrrrrroyyyyyyyyyyyyy .... whiz pop!"
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Posted - 2003.10.01 14:37:00 -
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I wouldn't worry about Eddz m'dear, we took a look at High Priestess and Armistrad the other night. "High Priestess" is a 0 sec, and "Armistrad" a one person operation. I think its another case of board noise over presence. I am a bit worried about "High Priestess" herself though, she sounds like a nutter. I wouldn't like to think she is allowed around sharp objects ;)
Re Indigo ... whatever ... you at least have in-game presence, as all the poor victims of your recent piratical terror campaign in Lonetrek can attest.
Still, its been notable that unarmed indies have always been the preference for your troops in the civil war.
Shame the NVA were in combat ships eh? Otherwise Ragnar would be annointed emperor of Venal now with a Space Invader "honour" guard.
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.10.01 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/10/2003 16:18:31
Max wrote;
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After such 'light' reading I must come to the conclusion that the NVA was out of its mind to appoint someone as hot-tempered and irrational as Jade Constantine as its PR rep.
I have two words for you; "principles" and "results".
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If you read the Taggart forums she keeps her cool and rationally discusses topics,
Which you'll admit is quite a feat given some of the quality of responses I have received there.
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... but on these 'public' forums all she appears to do is make a mockery of herself, her corporation and the NVA as a whole, simply through losing her temper and throwing little hissy fits when she doesnt get her way.
Does that mean you think M3G4 shouldn't surrender?
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With regards to Venal, issuing such threats as 'who will come and attack Venal? blah blah wont, blah blah wont' etc etc is just attracting more attention to a region which quite simply, could do with less.
Wasn't me guv'nor
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If your agenda is to create wars and purport damaging view of your region and your alliance, "m'dear", carry on... But take advice from a rl PR Director here.
Do you know what my advise to Taggart was ? (also from a rl PR perspective, though I am a consultant rather than corporate officer of course) ... it was tell the truth. Lies hurt you ... a lot, and they are always exposed.
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As for Smoked, I must sympathise that his corp cheated on him so bad, and I wish him the best of luck (though this comming from someone personally slaughtered by TankCEO)
I suggest you read around the subject before reaching such partial and uninformed decsions. We may not ever know the full truth of what happened, but the M3G4 defectors tell a quite different story.
If "as a real-life" PR director you are in the habit of going off half-cocked with a supportive statement of a guy who may well have rooked his comrades by selling the results of their labour on ebay. Then I have to ask ... did you do PR for Enron?
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... as I believe everyone can change their ways... and good on your for not being chicken and changing your name.
But bad in not being man enough to surrender.
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As regards to the whole Taggart situation, I must have sympathy for them at the moment. They are economical pioneers,
Errrr how exactly?
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... not political, and therefore made series of errors of judgements in their press releases and the timing of their actions.
As a "real-life" PR director tell me Max; how should Ragnar have timed his assassination contract on me to minimise the public fallout?
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But I believe the back-stabbing of several VA corporations is equally to blame for the whole fascade.
Well thats certainly your right to believe; and our right to believe you are an ass for believing it.
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... and un-acceptable demands put on them in the war effort with no proportionate voting benefits on the council.
Funny how you refer to my statements on the Taggart forum and then misrepresent this point m'dear.
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Such a PR rep worthy of a large alliance would not embarras herself and her allies by being so easily drawn into cat fights over the forums.
Says you
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She can actually speak intellectually and come up with well-balanced arguments, but in the heat of cat fights looks a little silly and power conscious.
Says you
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Purseuing silly vendetas and un-realistic, frankly, un-important issues
Do you mean "unimportant" like ensuring the surrender of a defeated enemy? Is that what you call unimportant?
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will only draw un-rest amongst your alliance, which seems not based on peace and economical advantage as Taggart was,
Ummmm, is this Taggart that placed multiple assassination contracts and led a piratical alliance in the effort to extinguish a regional democracy in the maki... |
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Posted - 2003.10.01 16:46:00 -
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I must admit, I do think Jade is guilty of having too much spare time on her hands 
Inkz m'dear, it takes me about as long to rip these guys to pieces as it takes you to blow the crap out of a M3G4 cruiser.
Fella claimed to be a "rl" PR Director ... be afraid ... be very afraid. I just hope he's big tobacco or liability insurance rather than something scary like GMfood ;)
It's all in lazy afternoon's work m'dear ... I am here on a rainy day listening to violin practise with a smile on my face ;)
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.10.01 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/10/2003 17:38:46
Aria J
If you consider the official NVA surrender demand you will find it is presented in very respectful language.
And this in the full knowledge that M3G4 placed corp thieves in NVA corps with the intention to do exactly what later happened to them.
This isn't a pleasant story.
But the surrender demands are fair.
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Smoked,
Firstly, though you were our enemy, we are sorry to see that the M3G4 war effort ended in this way.
Your fighters, though pirates, were courageous and made a great effort to carry the Taggart cause.
Still in every war there must be a losing side and there is no shame in admitting defeat once matters have reached an inevitable conclusion.
Lurk and Hammah have passed on your chatlog asking for terms to leave.
The NVA council has no problem with this.
You need to make a formal post on Corp Forum or General ... stating that M3G4 formally surrender to the NVA and ask for terms of peaceful transit from the region.
We will grant this, on the condition you pass M3G4 regional offices to NVA corps at pre-arranged times in days to come.
Once the declaration is made and accepted, and the offices are transfered, we will remove M3G4 from the KOS list and allow your exodus ships free passage from Venal and the matter will be concluded.
Love and peace
Jade Constantine for the NVA Council
Jericho Fraction
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It has now been more than 24 hours since this offer was first posted and we have had no afirmative response from M3G4 representatives. We would like to remind all M3G4 personal that they are currently KOS in Venal and Pureblind and beyond and they they will be targetted, killed, and podded by NVA fleet assets until formal notification of their public surrender and acceptance of our terms is proven.
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Posted - 2003.10.01 17:43:00 -
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Congratulations Ms Constantine in your suberb reply.
Why thank you.
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Posted - 2003.10.01 17:56:00 -
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Max
Sorry mÆdear you lost me when you started praising liars and misrepresenting the facts of the M3G4 refusal of the surrender terms.
The surrender terms are reposted above and include the necessity to surrender offices; M3G4 refused to do this, hence they refused the surrender.
You and I have very different standards of what is counted effective PR mÆdear. I do not believing lying is a valid strategy for news management; hence I advise everyone to tell the truth.
If you want adult debate with me then bring the truth to the table; otherwise, go play kiddie-pool with the muppets.
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.10.01 18:25:00 -
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[Max (Clifford)] wrote
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And Jade, yes very good and thank you. I think I need say no more about your temper flowing into your writing and your infantile ways of conversing.
You keep saying "thankyou" who are you thanking again?
What you see in my responses m'dear is called "variety of response paradigm".
When asked sensible questions by people with a little integrity and respect for the rules of formal debate I am very polite as I am sure many can attest.
When dealing with nonsense and garbage-arguments from ill-informed slippery no-name charletons (like yourself) ... the sensible thing is to issue a stinging rebuff.
You say you have played the PR game in real-life m'dear; I'm willing to bet you have never held a press conference with a hostile intelligent audience. Lies will kill you every time.
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P.S. When the hell was rl PR about the truth? Get in the real world darling and wake the hell up! 
I think that is a pretty revealing statement.
'nuff said.
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.10.01 18:57:00 -
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Max,
You mentioned that you had seen the discussion on Taggart internal forums. Then, rather than asking questions and raising issues there, you came here with a series of rather pointless paragraphs to derail a thread discussing the M3G4 surrender.
Posting off-topic makes you a bit of a buffoon.
Ignoring a proper discussion in taggart forum to concentrate on trying to score points in public makes you something of a poseur.
And misrepresenting the facts of the M3G4 refusal to surrender makes you an asshat.
The combination of the three;
"buffoon" + "poseur" + "asshat"
Means that your sympathies are not very difficult to ascertain.
That and your assertion that PR = "lying" provides a pretty conclusive case.
So there are the clues.
"buffoon" + "poseur" + "asshat" * "lying-ass-dog" = ????
Would anyone like to play Cluedo and pin the tail on the donkey?
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.10.01 19:48:00 -
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Other people started such a conversation on this thread before me so dont wag your finger missy.
Other people started talking nonsense and telling fibs and now its okay for you to do the same? And you call me childish ... I'd laugh my eight year old daughter out of the kitchen for that one.
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And your comment on scoring public points? Look VERY close to home, cos thats all the hell you do.
Losing your temper m'dear? tut tut
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Posted - 2003.10.02 01:36:00 -
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... and the award for least dignified way to lose a war in the history of Eve goes to ...
M3G4 corp!
;)
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Posted - 2003.10.02 04:14:00 -
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lol ... Hardin is like a guy arriving at the rugby ground six hours after the match is finished who finds a rugby ball and sprints an impassioned try to the imaginary shouts of empty stands!
Really. The rest of Eve is watching the developments around the end of the war in Venal and you are picking meat from the corpse of that PR nutcase who posted earlier .... sad act!
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.10.02 23:05:00 -
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You are a lovely man Max, you and Hardin both. Absolute pillars of the virtual community. I really have nothing bad to say about either of you on this wonderful day.
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.10.03 04:54:00 -
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Oh I love everybody this morning, never fear, its still a lovely day. I haven't a care in the world m'dear. The war is finished and the next stage of the game is ready to begin.
Dusty old critics will always rake over the past and try to find meaning, but the true visionaries will always look forward.
I made a couple of mistakes in the PR campaign, have talked a few things over with friends this evening on that very score. We none of us are perfect and we are, I think, forever learning and refining our essential arts and talents from practise and experience.
I don't begrudge that fellow Max quoted a little frumpy tantrum or two; and he did have a very arch turn of phrase I must say.
But I think the way the game of eve is played has caught quite a few people by surprise. Its more Judo than Sumo; and clever leverage and unexpected changes of direction are more significant to the big game than raw pushing power can ever be.
Its the great game of politics writ large upon a map of stars.
I think some within taggart like your quoted fellow are surprised and somewhat disoriented to find that economic or industrial domination is meaningless and vulnerable without political smarts and deft engagement.
Still, its a game, nobody really died ... and its all good experience and adult fun.
So, buckle-up m'dears, the next act is already beginning.
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.10.03 05:12:00 -
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TTI despises Jade more than anyone in the game, I expect. Tebren is TTI. So...one should expect him to be complimentary?
Interesting; (having just reviewed the thread where "Tebren" writes so scathingly) I am encouraged to find a number of later replies from Taggart personnel full-willing to accept my words there at face value. Chaps willing to look forward not back, and dashed nice in their followup commentary.
I'm touched.
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Posted - 2003.10.03 14:32:00 -
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Max
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While I still find a very slight tone of bitterness in your writting ...
I assure you there is no bitterness in my heart and no intention to place it in my writing. We have had a jolly good war and its over. Courage has been proved, valiant deeds have been done, and now, there really are no villains left on the board from the past conflict.
Its a new game starting, stupid to look at the past with anything but entertained distraction.
Sportsmenship and good taste is everything when the scores are tallied and discussions move to the clubhouse.
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[looking to the future] something which you are more than capable of but infrequently excercise.
I beg to differ; but then we have very different perspectives. I would remind you though that consistant NVA policy through the past conflict has been to reform and evolve political paradigms to engineer a more favourable environment for corporate interaction and political process. The declaration of NVA principles was a landmark step. In the future when we perhaps reveal a little of what went on behind the scenes such things will become quite apparent.
But as my colleagues have noted; sometimes the job of PR rep is an ardous and thankless one ... sometimes it is neccessary to get one's hands dirty to really drive a point home.
But please don't believe this some petty power-trip or arrogant fancy. Nailing a PR objective is just the same as making sure an enemy battleship is webbed, jammed and dead. If you are going to start a thing; you owe it to yourself and your companions to see it through.
Half-hearted commitment is often worse than no commitment at all, and sportmanship in this context means playing hard and full-tilt because thats what you owe to your team.
Re my comments on the chap you quoted I'd say only this; that I think tempers got too frayed for a bit on the out-of-character perspective, and some have perhaps made wrong assumptions of my personal objectives agenda, but hey, arguing the toss is a little pointless ... future actions will prove or disprove these things more convincingly than mere words ever could.
So,
Game on!
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